作者名称 国旗国籍

Guiyi

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2019.07.22 17:24

I realised a huge cultural difference between Chinese people

and people from many democratic countries today. It’s so obvious that I don’t know why I didn’t notice it before.
In Chinese culture, people deeply believe that it’s rude and unacceptable for foreigners to talk about their internal affairs (内政). And the so-called internal affairs actually covered a widely range of topics from culture to foreign policies. Yet people from many countries don’t take that as an offense.

For instance, I can say “your president is stupid” to a crazy Trump fan. He/she might argue with me, but probably I won’t be told “You’re not allowed to talk bad about my president”.
(well on the second thought Trump fans might ask me to “go back to my country”😂)

However, if you want to argue with a Chinese person by telling him/her: “I think Sun is a drug cheat.”, the most likely reply you can get is “how dare you talking sh*t about my country”, instead of “I disagree because Sun blahblahblah…”

I used to blame this typical kind of Chinese people’s reaction to lack of logic, but I was wrong. This is absolutely a kind of cultural difference. Chinese people seem to be very territorial. We prefer to set up a clear boundary between internal and external stuff. I guess that’s also why Chinese people abroad will always address local people as “foreigners”, “laowai”. Sometimes it’s not about physical boundaries anymore, but a subtle classification criterion that separate “insiders” and “outsiders”.

我一直以为中外在这种类型上的辩论鸡同鸭讲,是因为很多中国人没逻辑,原来不是,原来是因为我们的文化博大精深。
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  • Ali 2019.07.22 17:29

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    Well chinese leadership has limited chinese people mentality and they had fed into their minds that they shouldn't listen anything agaisnt China or chinese leadership.
  • Guiyi 2019.07.22 17:29

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    @ don't touch it
  • Ali 2019.07.22 17:31

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    And people as they grow in a chinese system not knowing what's going on in the world as access to outside world is blocked so they don't think how bad is this kind of system.
  • Ali 2019.07.22 17:33

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    I've seen people think what their government wants them to think, they eat, drink, wear, use whatever government wants them to eat, drink, wear or use. That's why china has less innovation because innovative minds grow up in a free and healthy environment
  • wade johnson 2019.07.22 17:33

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    Well thought out.
  • Ali 2019.07.22 17:35

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    It's not the cultural difference.. China's culture was buried 50 years ago
  • Mike 2019.07.22 17:38

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    在加拿大的中国人还叫我老外呢 我就说你在我的国家你才是老外😂
  • Joseph 2019.07.22 17:45

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    Very good post. Reasonable. 👍👍
  • Guiyi 2019.07.22 17:52

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    @ 已报警
  • Jade吃榴莲不吐榴莲壳 2019.07.22 17:52

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    同意你的观点。不过我本人倒觉得,以法律为基准,只要言论内容不违法,并且我们非肩负着重要职务背景的,说啥都行。毕竟我们每个人都要对自己的言论负责,如果自己发表的言论是很sensitive的,就要做好收到各方异见者的反对性甚至是offensive的言论的觉悟,而那些发表offensive反对意见的人也要做好觉悟被别的异见者offense
  • Guiyi 2019.07.22 17:54

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    @Jade吃榴莲不吐榴莲壳 都有你这个觉悟的话英特纳雄耐尔早就实现了
  • 凯文 2019.07.22 18:28

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    In some cases, like the one you mentioned, it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about the issue. And this jingoistic attitude has led to horrible things being said, including death threats to Mack Horton, his girlfriend and his family!
  • BryGuy 2019.07.23 01:09

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    That's unfortunate, although I'm sure you can encounter extreme personalities on either side. Most importantly though, does Grumpy Cat have a Chinese name?
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 02:04

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    @BryGuy 😁😁😁我们叫它不爽猫 RIP.
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 02:39

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    @Ali well there are tons of people who grown up under Chinese system and still be able to think with a clear mind. Plus I always find it very ignorant and arbitrary to say China had lost its culture due to political or ideological movements. Those people who made this statement normally don't know much about Chinese culture like they thought. Chinese people are not Aztecs or Moors on the Iberian Peninsula.
  • BryGuy 2019.07.23 02:41

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    @Guiyi 不爽猫哈哈哈 That's great! 😁
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 03:34

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    @凯文 I'm sorry for what happened to him but I think he should have understood what will happen to him and his families before he decided to "humiliating China". International relations is a complex arena (and beyond his comprehension I guess😂).
  • Jade吃榴莲不吐榴莲壳 2019.07.23 04:23

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    @Guiyi 阿弥陀佛😂
  • Ali 2019.07.23 04:42

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    @Guiyi first of all i don't know why you used that peninsula thing. Secondly i majored in chinese language n culture and I'm living here for last 3 years, travelled to different parts of China from Shanghai to counties of Jincheng and talked with hundreds of people. There are some people who think beyond but still they don't easily speak out and they are just accepting the way it is and chinese culture now is mostly limited to some important events.
  • 凯文 2019.07.23 04:43

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    @Guiyi While I don't necessarily agree with his decision not to stand on the dais, I'm sure he didn't do what he did in order to 'humiliate china', as you put it. And I think he was quite aware of the ramifications of his actions (after all, he has been through it before at the last Olympics). Clearly, Mack has very strong opinions regarding drug use in sport.
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 05:01

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    @凯文 hahaha the so called humiliating China stuff is just a quote from the one he humiliated😏 Yeah Horton has been regarded as our national enemy since he refused to shake hands with Sun I remembered. I'm not saying this as an excuse but national swimming team from all over the world doping to cure their "asthma""insomnia""ADD" including Australian one. The only difference is the one Sun took was put on the list since 2015. He learnt his lesson already. I think a mature athlete should leave someone else's reputation and future as a swimmer in hands of authorities.
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 05:17

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    @Ali I use Moors in Spain and Aztecs as examples to explain my definition of "buried culture". The regressive, obedient and collectivism culture you regarded is not something that has been created for only 50 years. If you really understand enough about Chinese culture, then you might realise it's actually part of our culture since thousands of years ago. Plus your resume is not a strong proof of your statement. Honestly Aussies might laugh at me if I made any similar assertive conclusion about their culture😏
  • Ali 2019.07.23 05:21

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    @Guiyi i think you are the sensible person and i would suggest you to do some more critical thinking. Zoom out the picture and then again take a look by putting your patriotism aside. Peace ✌
  • 凯文 2019.07.23 06:51

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    @Guiyi "Australian culture"....an oxymoron, perhaps? 😂
  • martin馬丁 2019.07.23 09:18

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    @Ali Hey, Mr. China expert, could you be any more patronising? 😒
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 10:06

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    @凯文 hahahahahaha you got me
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 12:48

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    @ 你这个角度好。集体主义和群体红利往往相伴而生。
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 14:01

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    @ 说实话其实我看到有些人努力解释样本采集和曲美他嗪的时候还是挺欣慰的,可惜我感觉更多的发生的人第一反应和逻辑还是“侮辱孙杨就是侮辱全中国,外国人有什么资格说中国人,你们不是还……” 外媒的偏见倒也不是什么新鲜事了。我其实还存了一篇post打算今天发,写的是大量外国网民在事关中国的对话时候的破碎逻辑。基本就是像你说的,“不听不听王八念经,反正你们全网屏蔽没有言论自由”😂 可能是nonsense make more noise吧。个人感觉现实生活中能求同存异的还是多数。
  • lakshmi 2019.07.23 14:54

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    @Guiyi 很遗憾,你的爱尔兰友人虽然中文水平不错,但是和不听不听王八念经那种外国文盲依旧没什么区别
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 15:50

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    @lakshmi meh这个爱尔兰陌生人的中文烂如文盲😏
  • Guiyi 2019.07.23 16:55

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    @ that's because girls blocked you in advance😒 Come on bro don't trigger my evil feminist personality out with your sexism statement😂 do you have any idea how many female snowflakes msged me in the past few hours after seeing Cathal's damn post?
  • 凯文 2019.07.23 20:19

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    @ Another Australian athlete, Raelene Boyle, won two silver medals at the Munich Olympics in 1972 in the 100m and 200m sprints. (She won gold at the 1970 and 1974 Commonwealth Games in the same events). She was beaten by an East German athlete who was later proven to be part of a widespread drug-doping program. She lost the 200m by 0.05 of a second. A clean athlete beaten by a drug cheat. Now, of course, I don't know if Sun Yang is doping - I sincerely hope he's not. It will be interesting to see what happens with the WADA appeal later in the year..
  • Guiyi 2019.07.24 02:10

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    @ see you were trying to win an imaginary argument by suddenly throwing out a sweeping assumption. I think there are numerous nationalists in China. Girls don't msg you but they msg people like me a loooooot. Tbh I rarely got attacked by males here on ht. They are mainly young girls who speak broken English. It can only prove that male nationalists hate you and female nationalists hate me. And you probably hate feminists😏 And I hate disputative people with no logic.
  • Guiyi 2019.07.24 02:11

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    @ *who have no logic
  • 爱斯基摩T 2019.07.24 05:10

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    我天居然真的有自己人PM你吵架?(吃惊脸 Lol)不是很懂大事小情都硬要上升到’爱国’与否是什么操作,就事论事不好么🤷‍♀️ 本以为HT只是学语言的,结果待了几个月发现还能时不时刷新三观…偶尔甚至能一窥堪比豆瓣上大清穿越过来的直男癌的言论😶
  • Guiyi 2019.07.24 08:25

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    @ easy dude. I don't have any problem with your attitude towards feminists, and I have never say there are more female nationalists than males, plus I have never denied the biological difference between two gender. The thing is, you kept changing the issue and imposing your assumption on me by stating it in an oversimplified or extreme form. References or statistics cannot cover up logical fallacies. Neither can calling me "poorly educated".
  • IMT 2019.07.26 02:53

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    This cultural difference has gotten worse over the last 10 years. I had many conversations 10 years ago and Chinese people were definitely less "territorial" than they are now. 爱国 sentiment is definitely at an all time high
  • Guiyi 2019.07.26 03:08

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    @IMT haha I would argue the culture difference is there but the there are definitely more nationalists nowadays. Not only in China though. I feel like identity politics has taken centre stage in the world.
  • Luna 2020.03.15 12:46

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    这是博大精深的开始吗?😂😂😂
  • Guiyi 2020.03.15 17:05

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    @Luna 这是我受够了Tony的开始😁 博大精深开始于很久以前了……
  • Luna 2020.03.15 17:44

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    @Guiyi 去年很长时间没用ht发现错过了好多精彩呀

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